tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post8820766103169685752..comments2023-09-11T09:40:03.019-07:00Comments on The Truth About The Amway Global Opportunity: How Many Diamonds Are There In Quixtar?Joecoolhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-72296842473375100982009-01-15T17:35:00.000-08:002009-01-15T17:35:00.000-08:00Well Levi, we have already established that some I...Well Levi, we have already established that some IBOs make money is Quixtar/Amway. You could very well be one of them. Still the vast majority of IBOs do not profit. This post is for them.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-27213899513991653652009-01-15T17:30:00.000-08:002009-01-15T17:30:00.000-08:00problem is i am not the average IBO but joe we hav...problem is i am not the average IBO but joe we have already established this.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-30101980009251661492009-01-13T12:32:00.000-08:002009-01-13T12:32:00.000-08:00You're right Levi. You can tell me you make a mil...You're right Levi. You can tell me you make a million dollars and you may or may not be truthful.<BR/><BR/>But wait, let's take Quixtar/Amway's numbers. IBOs make $115 a month on average. And Amway even removed "inactive" IBOs from that count to make it look more lucrative.<BR/><BR/>$115 a month? Kids delivering newspapers make more than that. Someone earning 10 bucks an hour working 3 houts a week makes more money than that. <BR/><BR/>You're right Levi, we don't need to discuss your own numbers, let's use Amway's numbers!Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-56404634284942895312009-01-13T11:45:00.000-08:002009-01-13T11:45:00.000-08:00yep, thats true joe. you make more than the averag...yep, thats true joe. you make more than the average IBO. but my point is I can nor can any IBO really prove anything in this day and age where anything can be forged or just simply lied about. so rather than get in to that controversy I dont see why you need to know my income. I make money to pay my bills and further my business. what are my bills? what are my business expenses? You would be stupid to belive if i told you. anyone can just make up anything but instead I have tried to give actual ways and solutions to how I did get my sucess only to be shot down by the nay sayers with thier statistics. but no one has given me yet a statistic that has 100% rating in wich i would fall into. you and everyone keep giving me statistics of 75% to 95% in which i fall into the smaller portion of the equation.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-57650949000431010532009-01-13T08:59:00.000-08:002009-01-13T08:59:00.000-08:00Levi, this is a blog. Nobody is "forcing you" to ...Levi, this is a blog. Nobody is "forcing you" to prove anything. I wonder sometimes why anonymous IBOs are so reluctant to discuss their incredible success?<BR/><BR/>If you don't wish to talk about it, that's up to you. Sometimes I think you make a bettercase for me by not talking. LOL<BR/><BR/>Yes, you sell products for a profit. Levi, why do so few IBOs actually sell products? Are they stupid? <BR/><BR/>HOw much does the average Joe make? I'm not sure but it's a LOT MORE than the average IBJoecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-86776085949935841712009-01-12T18:57:00.000-08:002009-01-12T18:57:00.000-08:00And how much does the Average JOE make? only as mu...And how much does the Average JOE make? only as much as His Boss allows. Keep punching the time clock my friend someone has to do it but it won't be me.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-45649068163573818982009-01-12T18:54:00.000-08:002009-01-12T18:54:00.000-08:00Wow Joe you really are dense. Do you really think ...Wow Joe you really are dense. Do you really think I have to prove my buisness sucess to you? you would need Bank transcripts, profit and expense trails, list of my downline and their own words and how they are doing but you will never be satisfied once you find out that we are doing great and the business has actually gown more since the launch of the campaign. I made my sucess by hard work and a never quit additude on top of utilizing retail sales to make a profit. I teach my downline to do the same and they realize a profit in the same month they sign up. so your ratio of Amway is only true becuase anyone is allowed in this business regardless of IQ so the average JOE can get in and think he should belive the hype about you have to spend money to make money and wonder why a year later they are 5000 dollars in expenses lost and dont want to renew. Stupid, It's direct sales sell your products get a profit, get a profit incur an expense. But the Income must be the first goal. My business men and women do this and are succssful. you and your so called eagle parimiters ( which is a joke) on the other hand are successful for everyone but you.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-19561561355911806372009-01-12T11:55:00.000-08:002009-01-12T11:55:00.000-08:00Dayton: Why is that the measuring stick of a good...Dayton: Why is that the measuring stick of a good business model? I know of no Diamonds that make less than $300,000. Although I'm sure there are.<BR/><BR/>Joe: Quixtar/Amway reports that the average diamond earns $146,000. There must be plenty of diamonds making less than $300,000.<BR/><BR/>Dayton: Lets ask, "How many PLatinums are there that amke anywhere from $1700 to $4000 a month and get the $20K end of year Q12 checks....Plenty.<BR/><BR/>Joe: Depends on your definition of plenty. There are far more platinums who are not Q12 than those who are.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I am honored that I made the list of sites given out by the emerald.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-85397863641600608192009-01-12T11:35:00.000-08:002009-01-12T11:35:00.000-08:00I always love these sites. I went to a weekend coo...I always love these sites. <BR/><BR/>I went to a weekend coonference and I heard a fairly big "pin" talking about the blogs as the new filtering system. He also has a printed list of about 10 sites that you can give to prospects, (this was one) along with 10 sites Pro Amway. <BR/><BR/>This guy freely gives them to prospects at the end of an open and asks that they visit each one of the 20 sites, before they sit down on the follow up. <BR/><BR/>According to the Emerald, this gives you a good gauge on where the mindset of the prospect is.<BR/><BR/> The Emerald, Doug, tells the prospect, "If you choose to believe more of the sites that critisize us, yet provide no viable references as to the credentials of the authors over the CEO's and Business leaders that highly endorse us, then this business is not for you. <BR/><BR/>If you choose those that speak favorably of Amway, then while I cannot garuntee you that it is for you, I will at least sit down with you and discuss further."<BR/><BR/>I loved the question, "How many Diamonds are there?" Not many.<BR/><BR/>Why is that the measuring stick of a good business model? I know of no Diamonds that make less than $300,000. Although I'm sure there are.<BR/><BR/>Lets ask, "How many PLatinums are there that amke anywhere from $1700 to $4000 a month and get the $20K end of year Q12 checks....Plenty.<BR/><BR/>How does that back up plan compare to a hope and a prayer for a company bailout?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-41383293670256720452008-12-29T08:47:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:47:00.000-08:00It's the concept? Haha, Amway works great on pape...It's the concept? Haha, Amway works great on paper but not in real life. Care to share how well you're doing Levi? What about your downline?Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-36444448510165654902008-12-25T15:43:00.000-08:002008-12-25T15:43:00.000-08:00You are really brainwashed kid, I have stated many...You are really brainwashed kid, I have stated many times that i do not attend meetings or buy tools and no Big Business is not selling products and having one downline. It is the concept. you are actually transparent to most of us. You are just angry and when you dont have anything to come back on you use old comments we have already defeated. Gina on the other hand uses something that is not there so really she could use that forever. But we don't really care. So many people get on here only knowing the half about life and think that their personal veiws should be everyone elses and what happened to them must be what happened to everyone. Grow up.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-16506679224845109972008-12-25T15:38:00.000-08:002008-12-25T15:38:00.000-08:00I will inform you of this one final time. My upli...I will inform you of this one final time. My upline don't determine anything. my thoughts my veiws are a collection of information gathered from all walks of life and many beliefs. even people like you teach me a thing or two that i will carry on with me. Quitting though will not be one of them. and Facts Yes Amway is big business and no in this business those paperwork you speak of is taken care of and we get our reports in a different matter. Please Understand this. you don't have to accept it but it is the way it is. Oh and one more thing one week ago i checked your profile and you were 21 now you are 31 are you looking for more credibility just as you say Ibo's misrepresent thier real income? Post ItJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-24854420377063884172008-12-24T12:31:00.000-08:002008-12-24T12:31:00.000-08:00LOL- buying from yourself and having one downline ...LOL- buying from yourself and having one downline is not a big business, Levi. And tracking your<BR/>profit and loss is important in all business. Did you upline tell you to ignore your losses? Success is right around the corner?<BR/>Fake it till you make it?<BR/><BR/>At least I have cash for gifts. I didn't waste it on seminar tickets. LOLJoecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-37651910438089150522008-12-24T12:21:00.000-08:002008-12-24T12:21:00.000-08:00Awe joe did we insult your girlfriend? Yeah she is...Awe joe did we insult your girlfriend? Yeah she is talking about real business where you have to keep track of and organize everything. thats called small business. we are big business. Like it or not we dont care. go take your girlfriend out and buy her something nice. Its Christmas.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-75619698891347257252008-12-24T09:12:00.000-08:002008-12-24T09:12:00.000-08:00Anonymous, Gina is talking about real business pra...Anonymous, Gina is talking about real business practices. That's why it sound foreign to most IBOs because they only know the fluffy side of the business that upline teaches, such as fake it till you<BR/>make it.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-30165650465926762722008-12-24T08:13:00.000-08:002008-12-24T08:13:00.000-08:00Unfortunately Gina presents herself much in the sa...Unfortunately Gina presents herself much in the same way that a lot of IBO's that just get on here and call everyone losers. Reading through Gina's responses, I would guess that Profit/Loss and Balance Sheet statements are terms that she has heard her professor mention so many times that it sounds like the "Grown up Business Person" thing to say. I would assume she is probably a bank teller or someone who has been in the workforce one or two years and has either lost a boyfriend or social partner to Quixstar and is resentful. There is no reason to debate Gina,for it is pointless. Anyone who knows anything about running a moderately succcessful Amway business realizes that the business model it's self,from a record keeping standpoint, does not typically keep that type of info. I have had an accountant run prepare my quarterlies since Platinum and I have never had to prepare any of those documents. I just know that after Platinum I never made less than I spent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-75763169851114390822008-12-20T08:47:00.000-08:002008-12-20T08:47:00.000-08:00Gina, regardless if the one person does show you w...Gina, regardless if the one person does show you what you are looking for it would not stop the fun you are having blogging away about your beliefs. You feel strongly in your convictions and so do we unless you can actually have a decent conversation in which 2 people can view eachothers side and reason to believe both may have credible sides without either being the poster child for thier party. please check my profile which ironicly is something i cant do on you i wonder why???Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04495390522299943094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-40468328448973145572008-12-16T12:56:00.000-08:002008-12-16T12:56:00.000-08:00I believe some upline want their downlines to avoi...I believe some upline want their downlines to avoid crosslining or searching the internet because they don't want their downline IBOs to find the truth. The truth would likely make people want to leave the business. It's why there is a lot of half truths or outright lies used when IBOs are recruiting prospective IBOs.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-77315320978479955762008-12-16T12:36:00.000-08:002008-12-16T12:36:00.000-08:00Yet more indication that this is another IBO who W...Yet more indication that this is another IBO who WANTS people to believe they are something they so clearly are not.<BR/><BR/>Who in Amway teaches that if one has a profitable business they wouldn't go onto blogs or other chat forums because they would be to busy with their family??? Truly successful people in any walk of life find time for everything they want to do...family, business, internet, hobbies, travel, shopping ect. Clearly the problem with IBO's is that they have no idea how to focus on various aspects of their lives because they have been taught to abandon everything else and focus on their so-called business. <BR/><BR/>Anytime an IBO who claims to be profitable wants to prove otherwise, simply present a P/L...not a tax return, but a P/L and we critics will have nothing else to blog about. Simple solution to a simple problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-61248714803931392852008-12-15T17:05:00.000-08:002008-12-15T17:05:00.000-08:00"I'd just like to mention that I, for one..."I'd just like to mention that I, for one, am quite impressed with this particular "Anonymous". His approach is far better than the general "U losers quit!" that we usually come across."<BR/><BR/>I appreciate that Oz. I've stated before,that just because a person quits, does not make them a "loser". As an Emerald, I have had many people fade away from my organization over the years and I am still friends with many of the people that I spent a great deal of time with. <BR/><BR/>To the contrary, I know many people who STAY in Amway for years and years and pretend to be business owners and drain their bank accounts, put their families through financial grief and never do anything to change. Those people are losers just as much as the people who quit and then blame everyone else ("my upline", "tool kingpins" "Rich & Jay" etc..) but themselves for their failures.<BR/><BR/>I started at the bottom as just a prospect who was "cold contacted", at the bottom of the pyramid. I spent 3-4 times as much money as I made during the first 2-3 years. But having owned other business in the past,I wasn't spending nearly what my previous overhead had been.<BR/><BR/>Now today, as a qualified Founders Emerald, and having been a Q12 qualifier for several years, it has paid off 100's of times over. That, coupled with the fact that I chose not to prematurely walk away from my job, has put my family in a nice situation.<BR/><BR/>I won't put my actual first name on the site, because once I do, people in my group will know who I am and then I have to either 1)Deal with the embarassment that I was on one of these sites or 2) I'll have downline who banter on here and over-inflate my level of success.<BR/><BR/>Successful IBO's as a rule,never get on these boards. They don't have the time of really care about any of it because this stuff has existed since the dawn of the net and chat rooms were the rage. The only Ibo's you typically see on here,are just what you described, and I garuntee you that practically everyone of them is having no success whatsoever.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, extremely successful people who got out of the business,have better things to do than to banter on here. They have a life and families and have better things to do than to pretend to be the master mind who will bring Amway to it's knees.<BR/><BR/>I believe it was Mark Cuban in Business 2.0 who when asked his opinions on Bloggers said, "In today's internet,anyone can be a David Koresh and develop their own little virtual cyber cult.I place very little signifigance on what a blogger says."<BR/><BR/>I only slipped on here because I "Google Alerted" Amway and I've been battleing the flu for about a week and a half. Made for a miserable Vegas trip. <BR/><BR/>Have a good Christmas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-37674806672212668232008-12-14T14:41:00.000-08:002008-12-14T14:41:00.000-08:00Comprehension issues or just plain inability to re...Comprehension issues or just plain inability to read??? I never asked for a tax return of any kind. A P/L and a B/S are not tax returns, and if you are in fact running your so called business legitimately and know for a fact it is profitable you would know what these are and would keep them and refer to them on a daily basis, but clearly you do not. <BR/>So you have proved my point...income is not profit and the problem with so many IBO's as yourself, is that they will defend their opportunity without having any knowledge or facts. You are incapable of providing any information to the contrary and that is why you have resorted to the classic pre-programmed defense of "you haven't provided any proof so I will not." <BR/><BR/>Salary.com is a widely used website that calculates salaries based on location, industries in the area, job title, duties, vacation, taxes, heath care, EVERYTHING there is to consider in a myriad of jobs. I also know as a fact that if you ask the HR dept at the prospective employer for a breakdown of your prospective salary that it will be given because I have done just that for a few prospective employees I was looking to hire over the years in owning my own profitable business. Owning my own business for many years is also how I know what I and so many other business owners need to do in order to be profitable. You on the other hand are talking about a cover letter, which by the way is extremely out dated so one can only assume that it is more rhetoric handed by your upline, and not addressing the very valid question of expenses to income. <BR/>Of course you will never respond again, we all know that and expect nothing less because all that means is that you have no facts thus no way of discussing the issues presented. Three year olds tend to have the same kind of reaction.<BR/>Addio!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-43027734069638015822008-12-13T18:31:00.000-08:002008-12-13T18:31:00.000-08:00I'd just like to mention that I, for one, am quite...I'd just like to mention that I, for one, am quite impressed with this particular "Anonymous". His approach is far better than the general "U losers quit!" that we usually come across.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for that Anon, perhaps you'd be willing to type in your first name using the "Name/URL option" in the future (It doesn't require registering with Blogger or anything)...it just be nice to put a name with the thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-11849645251391658962008-12-12T20:50:00.000-08:002008-12-12T20:50:00.000-08:00Gina, I can see where this is headed,much in the s...Gina, I can see where this is headed,much in the same direction that all other individuals with strong anti-Amway foundational beliefs tend to take. It's like a Christian arguing with an Athiest, neither side has a desire to see that others point of view. I myself,like you, gain no special benefit from trying to prove a point, especially when neither of us has offered any proof to the other that we don't serve fries at Burger King. You've done nothing or offered evidence to your degree of credibility that would justify me posting my filed tax returns to you. So to continue this frustrating mental square dance would only prove futile. You don't get many people such as myself on here, because quite frankly, people like myself usually don't spend any time on these boards. I have been drawn into this by foolishly subscribing to a Google Alert. If and when you can offer me proof of your companies offer letter and contract that not only states your current salary, but what, without you ever having filled out a tax document for HR,you State, Local and Federal taxe amount will be,and that offer letter shall also include your living expenses including annual estimated gas, food, electric and clothing expense, then I shall consider the same. But I feel we both know what the chance of that happening will be. I refuse to speculate on your professional status, because for all I know you are a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and an Ivy League College Grad with Honors, possibly a Doctor or Lawyer. But this blog is your world not mine. So I wish you the best and refuse to get into a sophmoric banter. I was merely stating what I believed to be fact and as of yet you've offered no proof to the contrary. This will be my last post on this subject, so there is no need to attempt fostera response form me. Untill you can provide that offer letter there is no point in continuing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-81918770141817908292008-12-12T07:53:00.000-08:002008-12-12T07:53:00.000-08:00First of all Gina is right on...you would just rat...First of all Gina is right on...you would just rather that I not be. <BR/>So, what part of if you ask for the net salary amount, they will provide it for you wasn't clear? For that matter, what part of 1/3 for taxes is the standard rule of thumb wasn't clear? There are even websites that offer salary calculations based on a number of factors. So clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. <BR/><BR/>But lets get back to the topic shall we...INCOME is NOT PROFIT. So while 150k a year from Amway may look good on paper, the problem that many have and Mr. Schlieber(sp?) was pointing out, is that for so many people expenses exceed that income. On top of that, so many find out that the expenses exceed the income only after years of not tracking them at all but deciding to start because once a certain level was reached they were under the very misguided impression that the money would be great, but yet it still wasn't. <BR/><BR/>You can continue to beat around the bush all you want, but telling us that your salary is x but never addressing what your expenses are lends itself to the fact that you have no idea what your expenses are and that you are lying. Which goes to show that you are just another IBO who most likely didn't go to college and most certainly never have, do not now, nor never will have a high paying salaried job. You say things that you think will lend credibility to your off the wall comments...because with Amway it is all about LOOKING better than you really are.<BR/><BR/>I will say it again...simply present an accurate P/L and B/S for your "company" that proves that your income is greater than your expenses proving how profitable the Amway "opportunity" is despite what so many others have experienced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-613883171468748015.post-92158036193220382042008-12-11T22:09:00.000-08:002008-12-11T22:09:00.000-08:00In my group, the platinum would say that the diamo...In my group, the platinum would say that the diamond gave him the advice and possibly, it was also on a tape. For example, a true north tape spoke about how you cannot cancel a standing order. You simply have to eat it because it was too much trouble to call upline who calls upline to cancel the standing order.<BR/><BR/>As I said, IBOs could quit over this issue, but many or most trusted their upline and kept going.Joecoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121920263105613498noreply@blogger.com