Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Amway Global - It's Only 100 PV!

When I saw the Amway plan, the key figure on the board seemed to be 100 PV. If everyone did their 100 PV, it would all be good right? Then all you need is to sponsor 6 and so on. But what is not talked about that much is what does 100 PV consist of and what does it cost? Apparently 100 PV, if you are a self consumption IBO, can cost anywhere from $270 to $300. If you buy a lot of items from partner stores, you may spend much much more.

So the question is - Do most people actually spend that much money on household products and consumables? The answer is no, at least for most people. If you are single or possibly a college student, then the answer is definitely no! Ironically, many uplines expect couples to spend 2 - 3 times more. Many couples can feed themselves and buy household goods (for a month) for less money than the cost of 100 PV. Even if you save some time by making online purchases, you still need to drive to the store to buy fresh bread, meat, vegetables and milk, unless you will be eating basically "canned" foods exclusively from Amway.

What many IBOs also do not realize is that Amway is probably charging you about 30% more for goods above and beyond everything else because that is the amount of bonuses they pay out. That means you are paying up to $300 for about $200 worth of goods in order to earn a $9 rebate. I suppose it's a good deal for a platinum and above, and not such a good deal for all those under the platinum. But then again - it's only 100 PV right?

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who are you people? why do you do this? You spend time searching out places online to put down Amway, Why? No one ever holds a gun to anyone to make them join Amway, If it did`nt work for you ok, ther are to many people out there like me that it did work for, Stop taking away peoples hope. if it did not work for you it may still work for others, Do`nt be a killjoy.

Joecool said...

Who are you people? why do you do this? You spend time searching out places online to put down Amway critics, Why? No one ever holds a gun to anyone to make them visit this blog and read these articles.

Maybe if IBOs didn't do stupid things and rip people off, then maybe I wouldn't have anything to write about?

Mike said...

Anon

Question: If the systems works, then why are there critics..that says it doesn't work.. for the majority of those that joined up without a gun to their head.

No one reads this site with a gun to their head, they are free to make the decison themselves.

Well unless you and others have something to hide?

You give Joe way to much credit, for having the ability to take away anyone's hope...

dig4truth said...

Joe,

I thought you said you were retiring from these blogs? :) I still subscribe to the feeds from Google, so I see yours pop in every now and again.

Got one word: RETAIL. Profitable and everyone makes out great. Ever do the math on 20 customers? How about 50? or even 100?

Let me demonstrate: 50 x $24 average profit (from say, a $75 order) is $1200 in profit alone. Add about a $480-$600 bonus check (depending on if you jump from the 12% to 15% bracket which is 100PV if you just get an average of 28PV per order). Hmmm...profit alone is: about $1700 or so. That's still $20,000 a year if they purchase from you routinely with the same products.

Guess what? No IBOs. Guess what happens if they just duplicate and get maybe 10-15 customers? They make a few hundred a month, and your volume goes up again.

Magic. :)

Gina said...

Nope IBO's don't hold a gun to anyone to make them join but they sure do use as much deception as they can...not much better really.

Joecool said...

Dig4truth, I was ready to hang it up but the outpouring of support gave me a renewed energy to continue.

10-15 customers sound sgood. How many IBOs actually have 10 to 15 customers? I bet very few based on Quixtar's own numbers. And how many stores could make a living on 10-15 customers? I bet very few as well.

dig4truth said...

But why is it then that people just want to make an extra $100, $200 or $300 so they can pay off something?

See you don't need to make lots of cash to 'run a business' that is generated at home. $600/year for a website isn't a lot, especially when you generate at least a few hundred a month from 10-15 customers monthly.

It's paying off a credit card, making sure they can put tires on the car, paying the phone bill...it's something! I waved two Ben Franklins in front of a crowd I was presenting to, and one woman basically jumped out of the seat. People withdraw $20 bills, not $100 bills. Rarely do they see it. So it makes more sense to them to relate to $200 then it does for people to relate to Platinum, Ruby or Diamond levels of income.

People just want something, and it doesn't have to be a lot.

Joecool said...

Dig4truth,

What is the truth? The truth is that IBOs are not recruited to earn $100 a month. Sure I will guess that some exist, but I highly doubt they are common.

Anytime I have seen or heard about "the plan", it is aimed at platinum and then diamond. When you attend functions, it is about diamond. Am I wrong?

mike said...

Dig4truth:

I have not heard any of the critic say anything negative about anyone doing a retail business...

"if they just duplicate.."

That is the real magic...

rlaurens said...

"$600/year for a website isn't a lot, especially when you generate at least a few hundred a month from 10-15 customers monthly."

Huh??? $600/yr for a website IS A LOT. My million-dollar online business with customers from hundreds of countries only need $14.95/mo in website fee.

For $600/yr, I hope you got dedicated IP, SSL certificate, etc. Are you getting any of those?

dig4truth said...

Joe,

I meant to clearify that this was a Prosumer wanting nothing more than a few good customers ('few' being the 10-15 or more). And you are right. The big picture is to get someone to move on to higher levels in this business. But you know what? I'm not focusing getting the newest guy to Platinum or Ruby. Why? Because I don't get paid to do that first. I get paid to generate volume. Then I get paid to generate Platinums. But guess which one generates the most money before Emerald and Diamond?

Break a Platinum and they give you a leadership bonus. Residual income. Super! But it is small compared to the next equation. Go Platinum, then add 2500PV in additional volume. Get an additonal % amount on top of the 25% bracket. Do it again. 2500 more PV: 12,500. Earn an additional percentage more.

Without going into details, it basically boils down to the fact that the tens of thousands of dollars in volume are still in your direct business. That higher percentage above 25% generates more money than the leadership bonus off of a single Platinum.

Sure you need to generate Platinums and Rubies to make good money. Then your leadership bonuses are big checks. But until then, this is a solid practice. Teach others to make a lot of littles, in order for them to make the bigs.

Thanks Mike for your comment. Retail business teaches profit first, leadership second. And you are right, I can't force anyone.

mike said...

It goes from

It is just a few hours and you can make some extra income...

To

Diamond is where it is at, do what you have to do, drive the miles, attend the meetings and you will be a diamond..walking the beaches of the world

The focus is to keep folks in the business by dangling diamond in front of them..

Has anyone heard anyone talk of their sucessful, part time, extra income speech from the stage?

Anonymous said...

Joecool-if amway is not going to help me earn extra income in my spare time then please give me another option. Where else can I earn $1000/ month without being tied down with another job?

Gina said...

If people actully made $1000 extra income, which would mean $1000 net profit...then there wouldn't be so much of an issue....but they don't make that so there is the issue.

Cincin said...

Gina, I make more than $1,000 a month. That is after I deduct cost for samples, learning material/meetings and travel expenses. My upline makes more and I have 2 legs that make more. It's doable with commitment. I work full-time and enjoy my regular job, I became an IBO for the extra income. With the growth of my business I'll soon be earning more than I had intended. No complaints. It's all about positive attitude. If you are negative about something, you will fail.

Joecool said...

Cincin, if you make that much, that's great. The problem is that most of your downline probably are losing money.

I would like to know (in general) what kind of paramters your business has to generate that kind of income.

Anonymous said...

If downlines are losing money, they have poor leadership in their upline and aren't taking their business seriously. They are probably treating it like a part time job instead of treating it like they own their own business. If the downline loses money, the upline won't make anything worth bragging about anyway. Successful uplines have successful downlines, period.

Anonymous said...

Your blog keeps getting better and better! Your older articles are not as good as newer ones you have a lot more creativity and originality now keep it up!

KingV said...

A little late on this, but I have a question what if someone is just looking to make a few hundred a month? What issues would that cause with the IBOs? I am looking into Amway, but I don't want to get into something that is going to cause an issue, simply because I do not attend meetings, and I only generate $100-200 a month is this possible to do with Amway?

Joecool said...

King V, it is possible to make $200a month in Amway but you will have to put forth a lot of effort. You can much more easily make $200 a month by working a part time job,

Try this. Try asking people you know if they would be willing to buy Amway goods from you. That will give you an idea of what it will take.

You can identlfy Amway goods and prices on Amway.com

KingV said...

From the understanding of it I don't need to recruit anyone as long as I can bring customers in to buy products off me is this not correct? The next thing would be is I do not want to have an upline as they are called telling me that I need to make this much in this amount of time so t hat the team can go further from what is being explained it doesn't sound like that I can just open up shop, and let it bring in a little cash flow from whoever buys from me weather it be 2 or 3 people a week/month. My question to you how easy was it for you to get out of Amway? were you able to just stop doing everything, and let the website die off?

Anonymous said...

recruiting is not an option thanks to WWDB. or, at least, they'll make you feel guilty for not doing it. best advice: just say no.

Anonymous said...

Just browsing when i found this. Joecool i loved it when u said u can earn $200/m if u do another part time job but amway. you surely have no clue !! This in amway is passive income and u r telling him to go sell his time to earn yet another active income !! You work hard at both say for a year and then stop. you get $0 from then on in your active job but thanks to the magic of duplication u can still earn in the amway way. Does it make sense. Well i dont think it would make sense to you since you have no clue ! Give this negativity up and get a day 'active' job somewhere :)

Anonymous said...

^ suck it.

Anonymous said...

how much does 2500pv make you? Canadian money or U.s currency.

Anonymous said...

I agree!

Anonymous said...

You just had a crappy IBO

Anonymous said...

Amway is so much more legit than this ignorant blog. Get your facts straight. Amway is in more than 90 countries and territories. They don't owe anyone a dime. Debt free billion dollar corporation. I've received bonus checks and incentives from them for YEARS. Something that Walmart nor any other company does. Amway Arena in Orlando, The Orlando Magic, General Colin Powell, Grand Rapids Michigan, Ada Michigan GO AND LOOK ALL THIS STUFF UP and rewrite your blog to correct it. The Internet is the bathroom stall where cowards voice their opinions. We're gonna grow no matter what. Go Diamond!!!

Joecool said...

Who said Amway is debt free? Are you sure?

http://www.amquix.info/amway_debt.html

Just because you received checks doesn't mean you made a net profit.

WalMart's slogan is live better save money. What does Amway have?

The Orlando Magis suck.

Since you're on the internet, are you a coward voicing your opinion? Seems to be so.

Anonymous said...

So he/she is a coward for voicing their opinion? Does that make you a coward as well? After all, this blog contains your OPINION and not hard evidence based facts that Amway in fact doesn't work. I've seen Amway make people filthy rich, and I've also seen it make them next to nothing. It's all about what you want to put into it. Those who call it a "pyramid scheme" are obviously someone who either failed in the business or simply listened to their "buddy". Why take advice on how to make a million dollars from someone who clears 30k a year? The "pyramid" debate is laughable, once you know the true facts. Let's say I make it to Platinum. I'm making roughly 50k yearly. Then I help someone in my downline make 50k. I get a 1k monthly training bonus, which puts me at approx. 62k a year. Then let's say that person I helped get to the 50k Platinum mark gets 6 people to the Platinum level. He is now making 6k monthly training bonus, putting him at 72k a year just in training bonuses, added to his 50k yearly. Throws the whole "pyramid" scheme right out the window...

Joecool said...

My blog clearly states that the information here is based on my experiences and opinions. But for your info, Amway's own numbers show that Amway doesn't work. Only .26% reach platinum. That about 1 in 400. And that's to make 50K gross income. Many people make more than that by working an honest job. It's a pyramid because tenured people make more than the layers of downline. You can make more than your sponsor but that's mostly because more people don
t do anything in Amway.