Monday, December 15, 2008

Attend Those Functions!

When I was an IBO some years back, the weekend functions costed $24. It was actually 4 sessions that costed $6 each. Major functions ranged from $60 to $250. My upline said it was a bargain as the speakers are sought after all over the world. It was a great bargain and IBOs
should be thankful for such a deal.

Well, here in Hawaii, you can attend a non-Amway motivational seminar for $4.95, or $19 for your entire office. Speakers include Robert Schuler and Zig Ziglar, among others. Makes you wonder how much the diamonds make charging a hundred bucks or more for their seminars.
I'm sure this seminar isn't being run at a loss.

http://www.getmotivated.com/city.aspx?a=5032 Or call: 1-800-318-3149

Food for thought folks.

23 comments:

Joecool said...

The Quixtar Meltdown:

http://perrymarshall.wordpress.com/

"Because if they told you the truth, you'd leave".

Anonymous said...

http://56trillion.20m.com/antiamway.html

SO WHERE DOES THE BIG MONEY COME FROM?

The top earners in Amway/Quixtar do so by bombarding the lower people with business tools (tapes, training videos, newsletters, seminars, conventions and on and on and on). The environment becomes one of intense social pressure to buy! There's a very present - but never spoken about - monster. If you're not 'using tools' why are you in the business?? Combine that with the pride factor of being embarrassed to quit, and you've got a ton of people who mindlessly, like I did, shell out hundreds even thousands of $$ for bullshit! Those who don't have a big supply of tools are gossiped about as "not really serious about the business". At this point the business seems SO VERY DIFFERENT than what initially sparked your interest. It's amazing. I have nothing but total contempt for the people who embrace this form of capitalism. Preying on people's weakest points, their desires for a brighter wealthier future, all the while knowing that most of us will not be able to get even 1 person into the business to follow the goofy road to riches that they have. Remember, 83% will not recruit ANYONE EVER! An Amway Diamond by the name of Jim Floor said that at a meeting in the summer of 1999.

Levi said...

Exuse me joe oh so cool. you are 21 years old and already have a belief that you know all there is to know about a complex business model. you stated you generated a 4000 pv business and were not profitable? what did you purchase it all? at a 200 per mo. investment and duplicating by 2 (if you know what that means) by the time you reached 4000pv you should have been making 395 that is 195 in profit after your 200 investment. Mathmaticly it works like that. the variable is you. apparently you had some poor mentors and you got misled and now you are bitter because you have to keep doing that job of yours with no way out. hollar back kid

Levi said...

Hey since you know so much about this whole business concept did you also know that your so called 'tools' were tax-writeoffs?
yeah i write off my expenses every year business seminars(if i really want to go in the first place) business cd's and tapes (if i really want to listen to one) and any milage I incur to and from my interviews with potential investors. i am not forced to buy tools nor laughed at if i dont and all i do is work the simple mathmatics of a concept that works
holla back

Oz said...

To be fair, the "Get Motivated" seminars likely make next to nothing on admissions...they possibly do indeed take a loss on that part. But the seminar isn't about the admissions, or really even the speaking...it's about marketing.

And the same could be said for the Quixway Seminars. Though it looks like they may make a bit on admissions as well.

Joecool said...

Levi, I was at 4000 with the correct parameters and I was not profitable. My profit was eaten up by the tools expenditures. As I changed pin levels. my upline said taht was proof that the system worked and that I needed to buy more and more tapes and extra seminar tickets. These expenditures are the reason why I was left without a net profit.

So what if you can write off tools as losses because you are still in the red when it's said and done.

Joecool said...

Ox, they don't make a little on admissions for seminars. In my group, the directs worked the seminars for free and each IBO may have paid $125 or more fo entry. 10,000 IBOs would gross well over a million dollars and the expense of renting a colliseum might be $200,000 or so. I believe the seminars is the biggest profit center of teh tools business.

Levi said...

Also this blog has an incorrect title it is not the truth about Amway. It is Joecools experience at trying to start his own business with a concept Amway Global had to offer. You really got to be kidding when you think that just what you went through makes up for the whole business in one picture. you are not the posterchild for this company. Learn to write an article. And as far as anyone thinking they know it all. Grow up get a clue Life is not just what happens to you. but we can learn from eachother. and i would say we can learn from joe mr. cool guy here. Dont incur rediculous expenses before you have established a profit or have planned a profit point that is reasonable to pay for the expense. duh. listening to just anyone about your money is just crazy talk.

Joecool said...

Levi, my blog is the truth about the amway opportunity. The FACT is that the vast majority of IBOs operate at a loss. Sure, some succeed, but some people also win the lottery.

Don't incur expenses before you
establish a profit. Good advice but that is not what most IBOs are taught.

Levi said...

Well then why don't you go out and teach all the IBO's the right way to do the business? If you know the right way though why did you quit? Really was it your upline? why not just mind your own business and build it with your morals and values teachig this grand knowledge that you have about the Facts about Amway Global? you could be a positive influance in the world and yet you choose to bash at the world around you. I teach my downline to focus on what gets a profit cause thats really why we are all in this. and if you do need to incur expense see if you cant make it a business write off at the end of the year. See I am helpig those with a dream. you are just bashing on the IBO's who are really wating to suceed. the concept works, but like many things in this world it can be abused. Please reconsider your position, instead of tearing down a New IBO's dreams point out the pitfalls. maybe it would be like your experience. tell them not to incur so much expense listening to your upline to buy buy buy. but focus on a profit then expense. All I see is just anger at your Failure in the company. So you failed get back up, be a man.

Joecool said...

Levi, in addition to a bad upline, I also came to realize that the Amway products are not competitive in price, and the business can not be built "win-win". Most who succeed in Amway, do so by a transfer of wealth. Downline's jobs pay to support upline. Do the math.

Show me where I am "bashing" an IBO or tearing someone down? How can I steal someone's dream? Am I forcing IBOs to come here and read?

Quite to the contrary, I have received many many complimentary emails thanking me for the information over the years.

Why do you Amway pologists always assume that someone who chose other means of finances instead of Amway are failures? Most of us found a better way to make a living. I call it a wise business decision to quit.

p.s. Happy New Year!

Levi said...

I dont just support Amway. I am for the free enterprise way of life. I like pyramids and networks. And sadly all a new IBO needs to do is google amway and they get these hate sites and guess what they go back to a time clock because of what they see here someone who by a totaly biased opinon and are scared away by the controversy. you all really make it seem like some sort of voodoo then just an opportunity that may not be for everyone. I am surprised at some of the things i have read. I wonder if you dont have anti amway or pyramid rallies and charge a fee for those. do you gather at midnight somewhere and burn Amway catalogs? Wow it sick

Levi said...

And your thank you mails are all one sided. this just happened to appeal to them more and they go off to be like you. an Anti-Dream stay at your job expendable government pawn. now if that was harsh sorry thats how i feel. there so much controversy about someone choosing to go a different way then the crowd and they are slandered and called illegal and picked apart for the negatives when there is clearly positive you can find if you look but you wont find it here

Joecool said...

Levi, why do you keep putting down jobs? People with jobs earn more than Amway IBOs on average.

You have a job don't you?

Levi said...

I don't put down the person doing the job just the job itself and no I am In sales for more than just amway. I think jobs to me are just very limited although consistant. you punch a time clock you are garunteed a check but you can only make so much with your time for cash. So I like Sales when i perform i get paid. my success depends on my performance. and I am good at it. I have the freedom to do what I want when I want and hopefully one day what I have built will progress on long after I die. but thats not for everyone. I like it, others may not. Did that help?

Levi said...

simply share how i am doing? Ha, like that is going to satisfy you and your alter ego gina. I am doing great but thats not enough is it? you are going to need bank transcripts, Income to proft ratios, my first born and a pint of my blood. You are never going to be satisfied that a few of us really are doing quite well but I will not entertain you by telling you my level only so you can tell me how or why I got to this postition. cause I can tell you. It was hard work and a never quit determination, something you obviously don't have.

Joecool said...

Levi, keep it a secret if you wish. Why are you so reluctant to simply state your level? You are basically anonymous and it won't do anything. Oh well.

Why do you folks always feel as if people who are not IBOs aren;t able to succeed? Most of us who quit are far better off than most IBOs. Read my new post about platinum income.

BTW, hard core platinums might actually suffer losses after business expenses are considered.

Levi said...

Its not the people Joe its you and your alter ego gina. you make amusement out of people who try to do someting better for their families. You put down anyone trying to state why they do what they do and think that just because stats show it is hard that they must be lying or not being honest. really enjoy your job it must be great. enjoy your limited life , maybe not limited to you because you dont aspire like we do to do things to impact the world on a greater level. At a job you basicly just exist. work, home, eat, sleep, and one time a year take a vacation. I want the permenat vacation and I am enjoying just that. my downline reads your site and we love every bit of it. we learn from people like you and gina. Its a sad reality but there will always be people like you and people like me. we live in an unfair world and thats just how it is. if you want something in life you have to go and get it. but most people are only educated to get a simple pay me the bare minimum job. The burden barers of our society. but now the government is unable to take care of those burden barers and the economy is taking a turn for the worse. I and my downline choose to determine whether or not we will sink instead of waiting to be fired, laidoff, or downsized due to a company trying to save thier own hide. Thats it thats all. I contribute more to society and to charities and fund raisers in my community than i ever could have at a job. so you can never convince me that what I do is a sham, or wrong, or wont work. Some of us do more for the world on a positive note than you people who wake up and complain about everything in the break room ever could. DEAL WITH IT

Joecool said...

Levi, where have I put down people who are doing "more" for their families? That is your perception. All I am doing is posting facts and some opinions, none of which you seem to be able to debate.

The stats that Amway releases clearly shwos that IBO income is not what many claim it to be. When a kid delivering news papers makes more that the average IBO what does that tell you? It tells me that there are many many many better ways to make a buck.

You want a permanent vacation? That's great. You probably aren't going to achieve it through Amway. Eeven if there may be some who did achieve significant income from Amway, there's a hoard of people suffering losses for that to happen. Just like it takes thousands of slaves to build one pyramid to make the pharoah happy.

I never said what you do is a sham, or doesn't work. What I am saying is that it doesn't work for the vast majority of people so it may not be a good idea for most. The lottery produces winners but it's not good for most. Same principle.

Levi said...
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Joecool said...

Levi, if what you say is true, you are a very rare exception to the IBO sales force. Most IBOs never sell a single item. Why don't you share your sales strategy here and help out your fellow IBOs?

Levi said...

I do try and all I get are comments about either amway being a scam or it don't work and look at the stats. if people would shut up and listen maybe they could see but they are too intrested in getting their point across and sounding smart. if you want answers to how I do it then email me at mir_levi_age@hotmail.com

Anonymous said...

take a hike.