Wednesday, June 10, 2009

Amway Global - Joecool's Experience in Amway (Re-Print)

About JoeCool

Some people have asked me why I am a quixtar critic so I will tell my story.

I had two brushes with Amway. The first time I was in college and a friend invited me to a beer bust. I arrive at the house and voila! It’s an Amway meeting. Needless to say, I sat through the house meeting and I left after the meeting, very negative about Amway.

Fast forward to late 1995. A good friend of mine called and said he was very excited about a new opportunity he was involved with. I agreed to meet with him and when he arrived at my house wearing a suit, I knew it was Amway. Anyways, I bought some stuff from him and told him if he ever made any money in the business, I would look at it again. About two years later this friend calls me. He said he had become a direct distributor and could teach me how to do it and that it was easy. Seeing someone I actually knew reach a significant level made it seem real, that maybe I could in fact do the same.

I went to see the plan again, and I signed up in 1997. My plan was to retail some specialty product to a niche market, and move volume. My sponsor (an old friend) asked me why I would not strive to achieve more. In other words, if I was going to take the time to run a business, why not try for the big bucks, after all, he was direct and could teach me. So I trusted him and signed up for standing order, and started to attend the functions.

In my first month of business, I did my 100 PV. By month two, I had personally sponsored 4 people and I was at 1500 PV. Fired up, got to cross stage as a brand new 1000 pin at the Leadership function. Well, my group kept growing, three months later I was at 4000 PV. I started to think about going direct, “earning time” with the diamond, and how cool it would be to work the doors at the functions. What’s perplexing to me is that despite making some profit from Amway, I did take note that the tapes and functions were taking away all my profits and then some, but upline kept saying the money would be there, just keep building.

All the while I was building the business, my girlfriend was supportive, and she accepted the fact that I had limited time to spend with her but at the same time she was excited to see my business growing. Well, in month 8 of my experience, I had a counseling session with my upline. He sat down and told me that he was proud of me. He did however, have a suggestion that would propel me to direct, and to emerald. I excitedly asked him what that was. He told me to “ace my girlfriend” Fiancee at the time). He felt that I could build the business faster without her and that a lot of girls would be interested in a single ruby or emerald.

It was at that moment when I decided that the business was not worth it. For the last 8 months, I had spent most of my time building the business hard, and I had nothing to show for it. Now my upline is telling (advising me) to get rid of my soon to be wife. Well, I quit about a week later. I stayed active a little bit longer (retail only) to provide to some customers I had.

In the subsequent years, I read more and more about the tools industry being the driving force behind the diamond’s lifestyles. I later discovered Qblog and due to my wife’s fondness of “snoopy”, I took on the handle of “Joecool18”. The 18 was just a number I once had on an email account but I kept it.

My upline was a very close and trusted friend. When he advised me to trust him, I did. I was one of his close “inner circle” IBO’s. My trusted friend was also my physician, who treated me several times. People ask how someone can do what seems silly in this business. Well, in my case you can see why. I bought standing order, plus 5-7 extra tapes each week. I never missed a meeting. I arrived early, left late. I bought extra function tickets. Luckily for me, I saw the light before too much damage was done.

The business is generally filled with nice, motivated people. The problem is that their critical thinking is turned off, because many like me, were probably sponsored by someone they knew and trusted. (People who are murdered are often killed by someone they know as well). The teaching system, if you are not careful, will slowly drain you of resources, and the system does not produce results. For whatever reason, the government has not looked into the motivational organizations. Until something is done, I will do my best to inform prospects about the secrets of the business so they can at least make an informed decision as to whether they should do the business or not.

15 comments:

Levi said...

An informed decision on weather they should do the business or not?
But you are leaving them halfway informed. sure it is sad what happened and is surely just the half of what the real business looks like. If someone approaches you with this business and they talk about meetings and Cd's before they talk about $$ then walk away. don't get swept away into the dream. it is work and it is an honest days pay without all the glamour.

Joecool said...

Levi, I was in WWDB, one of the major groups. When we had major functions, there were tens of thousands of IBOs in the arena and there are functions like these going on all across the country.

Gina said...

Levi, you are very inconsistent. You say how we critics only paint half the picture, how we only look at the negative and so on and then say that people can't make an informed decision about this opportunity with the information we critics provide, but you do the same only on the pro side. In fact that's how things work in the world...you give your take on things and we give ours...it's up to the people listening, or in this case reading, to process the information to come to an informed decision.

You say that what happened here is surely just half of the real business...the operative words being real business...how can a majority of IBO's know anything about what the real business is when they don't treat the business as a real business in the first place? More often than not....much more often in fact, when an IBO approaches someone about this business, it is all about the $$ and nothing of the tools and meetings. That's many of our (the critics) complaint. You should probably understand what people take issue with before attacking their view. Your saying " If someone approaches you with this business and they talk about meetings and Cd's before they talk about $$ then walk away." just reinforces our argument that so many sell a pipe dream. But of course, you wouldn't want anyone to think you are just another typical IBO so you figure that if you talk about hard-work and lessen the glitter aspect that you won't be seen for the run of the mill IBO.
Inconsistent at best....

Anonymous said...

"For whatever reason, the government has not looked into the motivational organizations. Until something is done, I will do my best to inform prospects about the secrets of the business so they can at least make an informed decision as to whether they should do the business or not".

Snoop, I have some great news for you, and some bad news as well. The great news is that the goverment and court systems have looked into the tool and function systems and will continue to do so. The bad news is that...well truth be told, they were doing it long before you could spell Blog. With every disgrunteled ex-IBO that sues his former upline, they look into it through the legal system. They have known about this for years, and are taking and have taken what they feel to be the appropriate course of action. (There's a hint in there) The other bit of bad news is that the tool "secret" has not been a secret since long before Gina was attending secretary school at community college. But you are infact welcome to attempt to carve out a cyber niche.

You should have picked a cool handle though like "Whistle Blower" or "Shadow Master"

Gina said...

Hmmmm that must be a response full of all that integrity IBO's claim to have. Yes...great folks indeed.

Joecool said...

The US government, to my knowledge hasn't had a regulatory agency investigate the tools business.

Levi said...

Integrity is something laking on both sides of the ball. you can call it what you want but you two will never be happy nor accept any information on our behalf that pertains to anything positive. On the other hand I do point out the negative that some IBO's have when they do this business but i have to say there is far more positive to look at.

Joecool said...

Levi, you can post all the happy feel good stories you want on your blog. My blog is not about promoting a business opportunity where the vast majority of participants.

Gina said...

"Integrity is something laking on both sides of the ball."

Ah, but only one side of the ball is quick to point out and make everyone believe that they have it.

"you can call it what you want but you two will never be happy nor accept any information on our behalf that pertains to anything positive."

Did I miss the law that said I must be happy and accepting of the BS IBO's present? Feel free to present FACTUAL, and by factual I mean verifiable, information...problem...you nor any other IBO can not...then maybe I will accept it and who knows, Maybe I will be happy with it.

"On the other hand I do point out the negative that some IBO's have when they do this business but i have to say there is far more positive to look at."

Feel free to list those positives accompanied by those facts proving they exist and are positive.

Levi said...

no it is more about demoting human aspirations to do something more with thier lives. yeah let me leave you to that negative aspect you and your precious gina are so good at.

Joecool said...

Levim, the bottom line is that mos upline groups teach bad business practices. Thus most IBOs lose money. Ok, so you claim to run a rebel group that does things differently, although you admit you use tools. What does that do to everyone else who is recruited into the other groups?

If you benfited from taking illegal drugs but everyone else died from it, is it a good thing?

Gina said...

"no it is more about demoting human aspirations to do something more with thier lives."

No one here has any problem with any human aspirations to something better with their lives (how poetic of you)...the problem is the lies they allow themselves to believe, the fact that they will close themselves off from the rest of the world to only listen and socialize with those in Amway, the fact that they are willing to completely remove themselves from reality, they have no problems with not tracking expenses and calling everything a sale and all monies profit as taught to,the fact that they refuse to see or even consider that there are problems with the so called business, the fact that so many recruit stating how much money can be made in such little time and minimal effort, the fact that these supposed leaders do nothing but spout and proudly display their supposed uber-wealth and don't truly help their followers...I can go on....but as you can see it has very little to do with human aspirations.

" yeah let me leave you to that negative aspect you and your precious gina are so good at."

I am precious...thank-you very much...;0) And its only negative because you have chosen to see it that way...in reality it is the truth and it can be positive...all depends on you.

Levi said...

wow gina thats both snide and delusional. But nothing is really going to change that. most Ibo's in amway do prefer those in thier organization, but then again how was high school? lots of groups hung out with those they associated with on many levels and felt comfortable with. many ibo's don't feel comfortable with the narrow minds of people like you because you view us as a plauge like there is somehting wrong with us for beliving like we do. I would not want to be associated with people like you and joe either.

Gina said...

"wow gina thats both snide and delusional."

Really? Seriously? You really need to take the time to look up the meaning of some of these words that you throw around. My response is in no way delusional...and you would percieve anything I say as snide.

" But nothing is really going to change that. most Ibo's in amway do prefer those in thier organization, but then again how was high school? lots of groups hung out with those they associated with on many levels and felt comfortable with."

Many people in high school don't refuse to speak with people not in high school...and you are not seriously relating Amway groups to the childish antics of some immature highschoolers? That certainly does not paingt a pretty picture of your business.

"many ibo's don't feel comfortable with the narrow minds of people like you because you view us as a plauge like there is somehting wrong with us for beliving like we do."

And so you are suggesting that it is the rest of the world that is narrow minded and that somehow its the IBO's and only the IBO's who are open minded yet have no idea about the basics of running a bsuiness? And to top that off. the solution for you all is to isolate yourselves, get defensive and and refuse to address anything said about your business? That doesn't help either.

" I would not want to be associated with people like you and joe either."

I wouldn't imagine you would....you can't handle the small dose of reality you get here....

Anonymous said...

and the crickets continue...