Friday, February 25, 2011

Where Are The Diamonds?

How many diamonds are there in Amway? I don't know for sure. Nobody knows for sure except Amway and Amway isn't telling. I once emailed Amway to ask this question and I was told to ask the person who invited me to a meeting. An Amway supporter once wrote a post on his propaganda blog decrying Amway critics for creating an "echo chamber" effect where people searching for information will be mislead about how many diamonds there are in Amway. Of course, he doesn't criticize the corporation for not publishing this valuable and controversial piece of information. He wrote a blog post claiming there are about 4000 Amway diamonds worldwide. While that may or may not be true, given this Amway supporter's propensity for lying, it certainly doesn't speak well about the number of Diamonds in the US and Canada. Nobody seems to be able to name at least ten new diamonds who came out of North America in the last 5 or six years.

On one of the Amway PR blogs, I posed a question (several years ago) and Anna Bryce of Quixtar (at the time) stated that there were 160 Diamondships in attendance to 2006 Diamond club. Assuming there were some absentees, there might be a few more than 160 Diamonds in Amway North America. 160+ Diamondships in nearly 50 years of existence is not much to get excited about. Also, in Amway, a diamond is not forever. Diamonds fall out of qualification, probably more often than a new one emerges.

Some Amway supporters talk about the thousands of people who may have achieved success thru this opportunity. They don't mention however, the MILLIONS who may have been harmed by participating in this wonderful opportunity, albeit possibly from a motivational organization and not necessarily from Amway, Quixtar or Alticor. Although the motivational organizations have mostly been allowed to operate freely to cause this harm, and blemish the corporation's reputation.

The point being missed here is that the more diamonds there are, it is likely that there will be more and more people who lose money. Nearly all diamonds that I know of hard sell their cds, seminars and other support materials. Thus the more diamonds there are, the more downline, and probably more people on the system. The vast majority of people on the system lose money because of the system expenses. A lack of sales to non IBOs almost guarantees a loss for IBOs because the only way to increase volume without sales is to increase downline who then suffer the losses for you. The more diamonds there are, the more lower level IBOs there are, and more IBOs who make little or lose money in order to support these higher pins.

Where are all the diamonds? Are they hiding? Or becoming extinct?

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

From Achieve magazine, Volume 2, Issue 3, 2009 ...

Following are approximate percentages of Direct Fulfillment IBOs of record in North America who achieved the illustrated levels
of success in the performance year ended August 31, 2008: Q12 0.3284%; Platinum 0.2690%; Sapphire 0.0281%; Founders
Sapphire 0.0354%; Emerald 0.0296%; Founders Emerald 0.0682%; Diamond 0.0117%.


So the question becomes "How many Direct Fulfillment IBOs of record in North America are there?" If there are 300,000 IBOs then there are about 35 diamonds.

Joecool said...

Of course as I said, Amway could end the guessing by just showing who is qualified at that level.

Anonymous said...

300,000 IBOs in North America would probably be an understated number unless numbers have dropped dramatically in the last 12 years (see http://www.amquix.info/amway_statistics.html#TL424 )

I would bet there are no more than 30 Qualified Diamonds in North America but Amway can prove us wrong if they were to release actual stats. They won't because the actual stats would make current Ambots throw up and pass out.

***Former WWDB Lemming***

Alice Lai said...

My Uplines Mr. and Mrs. Huang are a new diamond in NYC Flushing! If any of you wanna join our group, give me a call! 347-542-1729
Alice Lai

Alice Lai said...

My upline Mr. and Mrs. Huang are a diamond in Flushing, NY! If any of you wanna join our group, give me a call! 347-542-1729
Alice Lai

Alice Lai said...

Platinum 0.2690%
So it means 2 people out of 1000 ibos are platinum~ if you introduce 30,000 people about amway, you probably will achieve Diamond. I talk/email to 40 to 50 people about amway a day.....I probably will become a diamond within 2 year like my upline =D

Anonymous said...

Do not fool yourself Alice? Sound like you caught the disease!

Anonymous said...

I joined about 3 months ago with no one being platinum in our group now just 3 months later we have 6 platinum, holly ish!! You failed because you had no dreams you didn't stay consistent so now your crying in this blog lol get use to a paycheck buddy. Oh yeah I'm 21 Going platinum this month so yeah your a quitter without a desire to achieve those dreams you hater.

Joecool said...

No shit? 6 platinums and you'll be platinum this month?

You do know that a platinum needs to qualify, typically for 6 months?

Come back and visit when you learn more about Amway. LOL

Anonymous said...

Well,if you want to know ho many diamonds there are just go to the headquarters in ada michigan and there are halls full with pictures of the diamonds in the organization and all the lists of the platinums,saphires and emeralds.amway is more than a business it changes the way you see things and changed my life personally and socially....the system really works i have seen it...and the products are the best

Joecool said...

Pictures of diamonds doesn't mean anything. I can show you pictures of lottery winners It doesn't mean they are still wealthy. Diamonds often quit Amway for various reasons but why would they quit if there was residual income?